If experience still trumps explanations, simulations and printouts, print out some ebay listings there are lots of older sets with barely used 3 irons. Where Can You Get Your Lie Angle Adjusted, Should You Use Heavier Shafts in Wedges? MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By Would they still be ideal? Craig, This is a dumb question but were you fit for them? Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? The average golfer hits 48 percent of fairways. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana TM TP EF Tour Issue 50* & 56*, 62* You won't notice it. Driver: Charles Kelley whats in the bag accurate as of the Pebble Beach Pro-Am. Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? Pasted as rich text. And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". With your height you obviously need to be fit properly. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. The market is fascinating this week, with world number 376 Andrew Novak leading the field. Would bending it serve the same result? What are you trying to achieve? If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. All rights reserved. 1 is somewhere between somewhat important to very important, then the next question has to be. My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. My advice would be to start by making sure the lofts are set to manufacturers specs. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. Free shipping for many products! Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. Potentially, this would mean the toe digs in and your shots go right (right handed). It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. I wouldn't feel comfortable messing with the bounce/offset/loft. I couldn't agree more, they are a thing of beauty but also of art, it'll change the effect the way the club goes through the turf, I've lost some distance using these because I was hitting the new T-MB which 3 iron went a mile, but the 3 iron in the MB's is what dreams are made of, way easy to hit and launch, I wouldn't want to mess with it, that being said I did increase the lie up 2 degrees for my swing:). Restore formatting, I have to explain that the design allows the iron to have a stronger loft. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. Say you start with a classic blade 7 iron with 40* static loft by how much could you reduce the loft in conjunction with a GI head design without launching the ball lower? Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" You must log in or register to reply here. But if it'll mess up the performance or whatnot, I'm not messing with it. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. You can post now and register later. Bending 2* strong will increase the clubs digging tendencies. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. Furthermore, he was 15th at the end of the first round on debut here last year and 11th after Thursdays round at the correlative Corales in the Dominican Republic. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. If jacking with strong lofting one you need to have a good fitter/ instructor work with you on your model suggestion and what will fit your swing. Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. With the high bounce level of the stock G30's, losing some of that bounce by bending it strong is no sweat, but plenty of clubs have so little bounce that bending them strong leaves virtually nothing left in the bounce department, but bounce really only helps if you strike the ball a little on the fat side. Club fitters are able to bend clubs to increase or decrease the lie angle using a loft, lie bending machine. Like most things in life, the real answer is it all depends, golf is probably the only sport where they use generalization to describe something that is quite complicated. Display as a link instead, We dive into a subject we get A LOT of questions about, bending your clubs properly. But there is a lot more to it than that. St Louis, MO. This applies to both face angle and lie. Location. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! Will keep that in mind from now on, It is hard for some golfers to understand how irons with more loft can help them hit the ball farther,. Your email address will not be published. You won't notice it. Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 By adding loft, those golfers achieve more ideal launch conditions, which means they carry shots farther and stop the ball faster on the green. The ball came out much higher and shorter, just like you would expect from a 63*. You cannot paste images directly. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Good point. database of over 140,000 golfers and in excess of 250 million shots recorded using performance tracking products such as the unique. But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length. Clear editor. Surely getting consistent results and regular yardage gaps between clubs is more important than shooting for some ideal stats that may go against your natural swing? The 2-degree limit is only recommended when changing the lofts on irons due to the potential effect such bends will have on the sole angle of the club. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? 1001 Industrial Blvd Yes, it is possible to bend the irons 1-2 degrees stronger, but by doing so you would be reducing the effective bounce on the clubs. Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! Shane Lowry on the new Srixon ZX Mk II line (fairway wood, utility, ZX5/ZX7 irons). In my experience I have seen guys in the 8-14 handicap range with moderate ball speed try X Hot irons, and see much better results with the Rocketbladez. Yes, thats essentially what Im asking. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. Well-regarded at home, he mixed his time in junior golf with the likes of Min Woo Lee and Curtis Luck, during which he finishedrunner-up at The Players Amateur before winning the elite Porter Cup and being part of the victorious three-man Australian team at the Eisenhower Trophy, played partly at El Chamaleon, scene of the Mayokaba events on the PGA Tour. Your link has been automatically embedded. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. Titleist U500 3 & 4 Oban Kiyoshi Purple Tour Reserve This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. 3" = 4.6* and 6" = 9.2* change in loft. Approach play is the area of the game that leaves a lot to be desired amongst all levels of amateur golfers. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X This is especially true of clubs made with long hosels. To do this, simply Google, Golf Club Fitters Near Me and you will get a great list of places that will make sure you are playing the right lie angle for your game. The drop off in make percentage from 3-6 feet and 6-9 feet is huge. Here are the different ways fitters change the lie angle of a club: A club can either be bent to an upright position (toe higher than heel) or flat (toe lower than heel) usually in increments of 1 or 2 degrees. I already have a udi 2i and am too cheap to buy a 1i to replace it. The industry is run by marketing divisions, who are responsible for stronger lofted irons, in the mistaken belief that lower loft equals more distance. Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. These are topics that have been kicked around and that are important in todays market, so articles will most likely be touching on them in the future. What still kills me are the guys coming in and demanding a lower lofted driver thinking it will give them more distance. Are you above or below average for some or all of these statistics? The fact remains that only stronger, faster swings can support lower lofts. Played a mp30 2i for most of the year as a gap from my 3i to my 3 wood. Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. Ok thats good to know, the longest iron I carry in the bag is a 6 iron so it wont make that much of a difference then in the long irons. make it a "digger" per say? The GI/SGI clubs are basically directed to help players with lesser abilities to hit the golf ball, usually that also means lower swing speeds. How noticeable will the difference in trajectory be and will distances change? What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. No matter what your skill level, you will not optimize your performance with outdated or ill-fitted golf clubs. Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. Ordering & Information There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce.