His former pupil reminded him this was not an easy decision, but Osiris noted it might be an inevitable one due to the proud nature of the Cabal and that further escalation could put the City at risk. So yes, they are like us, and all of this happened post-collapse during the Dark Ages, they are in essence a precursor to what we now call Guardians, the term Guardian didn't come about until the . As the Warlord's Ghosts materialized to resurrect their Guardians, Efrideet aimed her hand cannon at them and demanded that they leave without their Guardians, who would be returned to them if they followed the Iron Decree. He warned the Young Wolf to stay on guard, as he was sure the Psions would hit them soon with whatever they stole. Iron Lord Saladin Forge had seen many things in his many centuries of life. The Rezyl Azzir card "Before These Walls" touches on that when it points out that Rezyl was what would eventually become known as Titan. Efrideet believed that nobody was a better shot than her, and in response, Saladin pointed at the village below and explained how he came every week to defend it from a nearby Fallen House, but that the Fallen kept returning. Efrideet noted that the local Warlords would respect that, although they were all needed to join a concentrated strike against the House of Devils in the Cosmodrome. Upon hearing that Saladin Forge and several other Lightbearers were banding together in a new organization dedicated to stopping the fighting between Risen Warlords, Efrideet sought out Saladin to request permission to join them. He dodged her question about why he did not trust her and rebuffed her interest in joining the Iron Lords by declaring that he was searching for more than just Lightbearers who could shoot. She demanded that the Warlord pick on someone his size, although the Warlord was twice her size. Ultimately, the Guardian succeeded in thwarting the Witch Queen's plan and killed her but her Ghost, Immaru, managed to escape. [32], In the aftermath of the failed assassination, the brutality between the Vanguard and Cabal increased on the battlefields as the Cabal's supply lines stretched thin and the remaining officers vying for Caiatl's favour began to lose faith in her leadership. Also i thought it was badass that Lord Saladin rushed into battle against SIVA Fallen knowing now that he has no Ghost,and his next death will be his last. Alongside his fellow Iron Lords, Saladin travelled to defend the Last City alongside its Guardians. With the Light returned to her, Efrideet began to cry with joy at the sight of the Traveler awakened. Saladin and the rest of the Iron Lords were confused by Silimar's constant building of a tower that he rebuilt every time it was assaulted by the Fallen and Warlords. When the Cabal Empress Caiatl arrived and sought to subjugate humanity, Saladin was tasked by Zavala with leading a strike force to keep her from rallying her forces. The Iron Lords were soon approached by the Warlord Felwinter, who wished to join their ranks and offered his keep at the top Felwinter Peak in the Old Russian Cosmodrome to serve as their headquarters. [10], Several weeks later Efrideet and Saladin led an army of Iron Lords to Shaxx's mountain stronghold, having put down the Devil activity in the Cosmodrome. Post, Download on the AppStore He compared Caiatl and her commanders to the Warlords of old, using honour as nothing more than currency for fear, and that they could not trust or negotiate with anyone with such a mindset. [7], Efrideet travelled to a village that had been liberated from Warlord Cathal a year before asking them to join the city. Beneath his stoicism lies a deep sadness and guilt over the deaths of his fellow Iron Lords at the hands of SIVA. However, Saladin's Guardian powers, combined with his great skill at combat, enabled him to rise to the rank of Valus. Saladin befriended three other Risen who did not follow the Warlord's path; Radegast, Jolder, and Perun. Lord Saladin Forge is a Titan Guardian partnered with the Ghost Isirah and one of two known survivors of the original Iron Lords. Felwinter countered that Ikora Rey had and that he could too before questioning if either had a better idea. Most of the lore that makes Destiny as deep of a game as it . Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't he trailer say the Iron Lords existed before the Guardians, and therefore wouldn't have had ghosts? . The one Felwinter kept losing. Just because you don't see something doesn't mean it's not there. Well Bungie added a nice little tid bit, saying that he might have since become a Guardian. While Efrideet stayed back and fired on the creature with her rifle, Saladin closed in with his Iron Battle Axe to fight the dragon like a knight of old. Create Fireteam Zavala was unsure that all of Caiatl's followers would accept such a challenge, but Saladin warned that they might also lose and warned that he did not believe Caiatl would thank them for their diplomacy while holding a knife to their throat. While searching for a pig that was stolen from the village Saladin reached an antenna base that was used to spy on the villagers, there he finds the stolen pig as well as its thief. After The Guardian stops Caiatl's forces from attacking Savathun's ship, Saladin - along with Zavala and Crow - meet with the empress in the Tower to placate her ire over the battle. They quickly developed a reputation as defenders of humanity and several Warlords joined their cause, including Felwinter, who donated his stronghold on Felwinter Peak to be their headquarters. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Saladin briefed the Young Wolf on the situation and was concerned that Ixel could give the Cabal the advantage over them or possibly unleash destruction on everyone by messing with Vex technology. It's possible that he doesn't have one at all, hence why there are only 3 Iron Lords left. Despite being famously serious, Saladin does have moments of humor, mostly with old friends like Efrideet. {{ Efrideet was impressed upon meeting the Warlord, joking that they had the grim formidable look of the Iron Lords, but as she walked behind him she saw he had a damaged and distressed Ghost embedded into the back of his helmet. [21] Further, Saladin did not approve of how the conflict with the Cabal was handled, ending with an armistice, nor how the Vanguard allowed the House of Light to be granted sanctuary within the Last City, as he didn't trust either the Cabal or the Fallen. [16] Despite the City being saved, Saladin remained furious with Shaxx for disobeying his orders during the middle of battle. Saladin was found and raised by his Ghost Isirah in Old Russia during the Dark Age, at which point most of humanity was scattered and lived under the ruthless rule of other Lightbearers who had become Warlords. [7] Saladin was amongst the most honored of the lords and frequently joined his comrades in combating the warlords by defending towns under their control. Some even suggested he was a part of the assassination plot against Zavala, which hits the Iron Lord hard. and our However, Saladin handled most of the logistics on his own and stayed far away from Shaxx. Maybe in time he learned the ways of the light and became a guardian [12], Centuries later, with the onset of the SIVA Crisis, Efrideet returned to the Iron Temple to assist Saladin and fulfil her responsibility to the Iron Banner. Cookie Notice Efrideet then hoped that they had another plan other than assaulting the mountain once the Devil uprising had been put down, but Saladin stated that Shaxx was forcing their hand and that they could not risk other Warlords who would be less careful attack first. Being a Guardian means being a servant to the Vanguard/Tower/City. SALADIN: Find me again at the Iron Temple, Young Wolf. Efrideet questioned if he had any ammo remaining, but Saladin stated he had only the Light but the Fallen were out of range and they would have to climb down. They would thus continue targeting other commanders vying for a seat on the Council and deal a death of a thousand cuts to the Cabal. In addition, to the Empress's recommendation, Saladin organized a tournament similar to the Iron Banner for the Cabal, even calling the contestants his "Iron War Beasts", which quickly became popular amongst the cabal. However, Silimar declared that it was like them, being reborn every time they fell and that one day it would not fall and they would know the time was right. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Individuals who were raised by the ghosts before the city existed were known as the Risen, Lord Saladin and the other Iron Lords/Iron Wolves were Risen who decided to follow the knights code of chivalry and protect the innocent. As it was recently discovered that Rasputin began as a submind planted into an Exo Frame before being made a Lightbearer, Ana believes that Felspring may contain not only Felwinter's memories but also Rasputin's code and linguistics that they could use to repair the Warmind faster. He questioned if that mission was why she wished to leave the City, reminding her that she had been the one to bring him there, but Efrideet noted that while she was glad to have done that she could no longer continue fighting and wished to find a new way forward. The village mayor was concerned that the remaining Warlords would view the City as a target if everyone gathered there, but Efrideet dismissed her concern and reassured them all that the days of the Warlords were numbered. I guess he keeps it in his backpack, like we do. Well Bungie added a nice little tid bit, saying that he might have since become a Guardian. So how can he be an Iron Lord? The event was originally overseen by Lord Saladin prior to the Rise of Iron expansion, however it is now watched over by Lady Efrideet.Her stock includes new shaders, emblems, and high-end weapons and armor, which can be purchased for Glimmer and Legendary Marks, given that the Guardian's Iron Banner rank is high enough.She offers Iron Banner bounties which give . Admitting he had never seen her miss a shot before as he wondered what had taken her so long to reach him, Efrideet revealed a few Fallen had survived the Arc strike. They confronted him when Segoth arrived at the village to punish the citizens for sheltering the Iron Lords, holding higher ground as Segoth and eight of his followers arrived on Pikes in a narrow pass that only allowed three to approach at a time. Declaring that he was still an Iron Lord, Saladin promised to be in the fray himself to exact retribution and hoped to see the Young Wolf on the battlefield doing the same. However, with the help of the Guardian, he was able to make peace with what had happened and relieve centuries of burden. She told him about finishing off the Fallen stragglers, and in response, Saladin admitted that the Iron Lords might need someone of her skill and morals to join them. She refused to believe that their commander truly intended to go through with the assault, but Saladin noted that Radegast was tired of fighting, but Efrideet did not believe that was a good excuse. However, Efrideet offered to throw him, causing Saladin to laugh until he realized she was serious and declared there was no dignity in that. Saladin asked what they would know, and Silimar declared that it would mean it was safe to build a city to the sky. It's suicide to fight without a Ghost to revive you. Before she could reply, two Fallen Skiffs appeared and deployed a Walker to assault the Patch Run. However, as a result of his experiences and losses, Saladin has been hardened from them all. Your role as a moderator enables you immediately ban this user from messaging (bypassing the report queue) if you select a punishment. As the Guardians worked in containing the Nightmares that have begun to infest the Leviathan and sever the connections Calus was seeking to make with the Lunar Pyramid, accomplishing in severing two connections, and became time for Caiatl herself to deal with the Nightmare of Dominus Ghaul, Saladin would find himself taunted by the Nightmare, denouncing him as unworthy to join the cabal's War Council as an equal. [17], One year after the events of the Taken War, the Fallen and the House of Devils managed to unearth SIVA, and their Splicers tried to harness the technology. [26] Although Ixel was eliminated, three other Psions escaped with Vex data. [22] After Basilius's elimination, Saladin sent a message to the Young Wolf complimenting them on their efforts, but expressed frustration at Zavala's determination not to enter into total war against the Cabal. As communications were reestablished, Saladin heard Osiris, Saint-14, and Shaxx declare that each of their sectors were secure. In time, he established the Iron Banner to keep the memory of the fallen Iron Lords alive and train the new Guardians in the ways of old. As they stood on his balcony, she revealed to him that she wished to leave Earth and that he could not change her mind. He encouraged him to respond in kind and show the Cabal there were consequences for such acts and to remind their people why they should have faith in the Guardians. [11], Efrideet's departure spared her from participating in the Battle of Site-6, where all her fellow Iron Lords save Saladin perished at the hands of SIVA under the control of the Warmind Rasputin, who sought to reclaim and destroy his resurrected son Felwinter. Play nice. Unamused, the Warlord ordered them to leave and declared the people there his, but they refused to abandon the civilians to his rule. Confronting the Young Wolf, Saladin criticized them for being among those using Stasis and Zavala for not punishing those who did. Saladin admitted he did not and questioned why Felwinter was still tolerated. Since it been a long time since his fellow lords died Saladin then oversees the offensive in which Caiatl's forces fight alongside Guardians to halt the ritual and capture another general. This occurred after his defeat of Guhrn Or'ohk, Valus in ritual combat, who challenged Saladin's right to exist on an even footing with the Cabal in their Empire. Leaning forward, Saladin issued a warning to the Young Wolf to ensure that they did not fall prey to their hubris while using Stasis, or it would not be the Darkness that came for them. This may take some time Aren't Iron lords/warlords just what guardians used to be called? The Iron Lords Living Lords Hunters Efrideet Titans Saladin Forge Other The Guardian Deceased Lords Hunters Gheleon Should a player obtain a "We Ran Out of Medals" medal in an Iron Banner match in. As they buried the bodies, Saladin listened as Radegast declared they could no longer live in fear of the Warlords and must become Guardians of the people, gathering likeminded Risen to aid them. Saladin noted that without their home system to resupply them, the Cabal could no longer wage war as effectively and continue resistance against humanity. Amused, Efrideet dodged and tripped him as he approached before departing. After many months of hard fighting, the Guardians succeeded in holding the line against Xivu Arath's Horde and saving Mara Sov's Techeun Coven from the Ascendant Realm, allowing the Awoken Queen to conduct the ritual to excise the Witch Queen's worm. After the destruction of the SIVA Crisis, Saladin Forge knighted The Guardian and names them the first of the new generation of Iron Lords setting out to rebuild the Iron Lords and once again create a beacon of hope for the Last City. Saladin however states that is where the similarities end, as he has seen Caiatl lead her people with purpose and conviction, traits he has not seen in the former emperor, but Calus retaliates with the knowledge of how eager Saladin used to be in slaughtering her troops when Caiatl first arrived and wondered what that says about his own convictions which leaves the Iron Lord unable to respond. In the scene, Saladin spotted a wolflike sigil which filled him with rage. Saladin argues for the greater good; the Vanguard has a responsibility to protect Earth and her . Does Lord Saladin Have a Ghost? Alongside Radegast and Perun, he travelled to a village ruled by Warlord Segoth. As his prisoner struggled, Saladin demanded to know more about the data they stole, how they had crafted the Light-dampening tech, and where the rest of the Psion cell was. [13], After the Red Legion captured the Last City and imprisoned the Traveler, Efrideet and the other Guardians were stripped of their Light. [2], As the Iron Lords began to recruit, Saladin left to defend the village of Patch Run from a Fallen House that frequently assaulted it. He was forced to cooperate with Shaxx at the behest of the Consensus to coordinate these events because his former pupil had become the head of the Crucible in the aftermath of the Twilight Gap. After saving his House from a Vex attack, Ikora offered Mithrax and his people sanctuary within the Last City, to which the Light Kell gratefully agrees. "You have to move." Because Saladin stood unmoving. [5], Sometime after Saladin recruited Efrideet into the Iron Lords, they encountered an Ahamkara, which were able to grant wishes. Prior to leaving, in a message for the Young Wolf, Saladin left his Iron Battle Axe in the H.E.L.M. The in-game lore is just the tip of the iceberg. [10], Eventually, Saladin and his comrades discovered SIVA, a self-replicating nanotechnology created during the Golden Age. Efrideet noted there was no dignity in letting the entire village die either. Shax has one, but it's different from everyone else's. Press J to jump to the feed. After letting Fera go Saladin stormed the local warlord's encampment and brutally killed him and his soldiers. He told the Young Wolf that if it were up to him, the Vanguard would destroy the warmind. [27], The following week, Saladin briefed the Young Wolf once more, noting that the Cabal had returned to the battlegrounds on Nessus, Europa, and the Cosmodrome and that they would be there to meet them. She informed him that Felwinter had provided evidence that all the Warlords he murdered had killed Ghosts, civilians, and other crimes that broke the Iron Decree but had never requested permission for any of his executions. Eris goes out on stealth missions, yes, but doesn't fight. Enough that it forces him to reconsider his views. Lord Saladin and Commander Zavala are longtime friends and comrades and are brothers-in-arms from numerous campaigns, including the notorious battles of Twilight Gap and Six Fronts. The fourth was the poor Ghost having a borderline mental breakdown because of all the psychic fuckery. Zavala is Saladin's former pupil, and each holds the other in quite high esteem. Saladin entered the building and found Fera, now a grown woman and a packmaster. The Iron Lord promised he would and hoped that Osiris would support him when it came time to enact it.[37]. Dejected, Saladin hung his head in anger before casting one last look at Osiris and transmatting out of the H.E.L.M. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Grinning under his helmet, he shouted back that they were knights and he wanted to be a dragon slayer. The bartender refused but asked if she wished to dance before leaving, which she refused. Cancel She sent back a message that Felwinter only responded to official Iron Lord business, but went herself to hear Wu Ming's proposition. This would prove to be a wise decision on Saladin's part, as the House of Salvation intercepted their communications and learned of their plan, sending a raid force to destroy or acquire Felspring's remains. Efrideet softly said that it was hardly even a village, but Saladin retorted that they lived a noble life. Joining him on this task force was Vanguard Advisor Osiris, now Lightless since the loss of his Ghost Sagira, a new Hunter known as The Crow for reconnaissance, and Amanda Holliday to fly mission support. Saladin was concerned that a victory by the Imperial Cabal in the Cosmodrome would lead more Cabal there to establish a Firebase, threatening a region which regularly produced new Guardians from Ghosts searching the ruined shipyard. As Shaxx announced he would march to reinforce the southern walls, Saladin informed them that he had broken the Fallen's assault and that the City was saved. Saladin however, states that Crow lacks the self-awareness to know what he believes in and that his mind is a storm of guilt, not just his own but also that of his past self. As she attempted to talk to him about joining the Iron Lords, he rebuffed her questions and requested she leave, not entirely trusting her and claiming he sought those who could do more than just shoot. [36] Saladin remained angry at how the conflict ended and was convinced the armistice would be broken by Caiatl. Iron Lords were the first guardians before there were Guardians. Maybe when the other iron lords fell he survived but his ghost did not. `${userDetail.user.displayName}${userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode ? Or can Ghosts give Light to people who are already alive and make them Guardians? Without ammo, Saladin was at a loss of what to do, with the Walker being out of range of his Light powers and the time it would take to climb down surely dooming the village. After the eleventh time the tower was destroyed, Saladin met with Silimar in its ruins and upon his friend's revival by his Ghost, questioned him about why he kept rebuilding and calling the tower doomed. She found him atop a cliff near the small village of Patch Run and assisted him in dispatching a group of Fallen, but the two ran out of ammunition during the fight. and deactivates the machine keeping the captive Hive alive, unintentionally killing the Psion operating it. [38] He re-forged weapons for Motes of Light. The Speaker questioned how the City would be governed, and she told him that would be up to those who lived there and that the Iron Lords would merely protect the walls. [7] When she arrived, Efrideet discovered Warlord Citan and two other Risen attempting to rob the bar and threatening Wu Ming. [28] Thanks to Crow's investigation and the Young Wolf's fieldwork, the task force discovered the Cabal had crafted miniature devices based on the Traveler Cage used by the Red Legion to cut off the Light from the Guardians that could be attached to Ghosts, allowing them to easily kill the Lightless Guardian. along the way, he got into a battle with risen thugs that ended in a draw. With the Guardian, he at first saw them as a promising student that needed training but of course he makes sure that they stay humble and focused. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. [30] Saladin spoke with the Young Wolf about the failed assault, bemoaning how an assassin had infiltrated so easily and that luck would not be on their side next time. Silimar rejected that term, deciding fated fit better, but Saladin suggested indefensible also worked. As they spoke, a Fallen Skiff roared by and dropped a Walker into the field between the village and bunker. Saladin gave Fera a wolf talisman and asked her to protect the villagers and others she found. As he sat up, Efrideet began mocking him for warning her not to miss, asking if he had ever known her to not hit a target. Saladin wished to fight a dragon, which transformed the creature into a giant dragon that breathed fire. Her friend wished to fight an actual dragon, transforming the wish-granting creature into a fearsome flying beast that breathed fire. However, like Shaxx, Saladin respects all the classes of Guardians. However, In place of the village, Saladin found only graves followed by rock piles and ground mounds until he reached a pit full of burnt corpses. Keith Ferguson (born February 26, 1972) is an American voice actor. Thanks to a report from Crow, Saladin had their next target lined up: Basilius the Golem, who was seeking Golden Age relics on Europa to offer to Caiatl in hopes of augmenting Cabal forces with cybernetic and Exo tech. His ghost probably found him on the battle field and revived him with light. [29], The Psions soon made their move with the device and attempted to assassinate Commander Zavala in the Last City, but the Titan managed to fell his assassin. Let his anger and frustration slip out, Saladin noted that Drifter claimed that nothing could kill a Guardian quicker than another Guardian, a fact he agreed with and noted with disgust how the Last City had tried to rely on Rasputin before it failed against the Black Fleet and they meekly watched as the Darkness took four planets away from them.