We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. there is no better. No autographs, No self taken pictures. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. A lot like carrying a cocked and locked 1911 but with the safety off. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. Stinking Lawyers and quota cops. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. And I suspect at end of day this recent P320 one will be identified as a negligent discharge or from weapons from 2017 where owners failed to . (unless theyre SWAT or something). Right up front, the use of an ill-fitting/improper-for-the-gun holster instantly negates any idea of an unintended discharge being the fault of the design. Trust a P365 with your life. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Sig Sauer's P320 is widely used by police departments across the country, and is a big seller in the civilian market, with about half a million sold nationwide. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. The new guy sucks. He was told to shoot two rounds. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. First, keep in mind that allegations made in lawsuits are not statements of fact. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. . On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. I agree. A plastic gun that has a tendency to go off by itself. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. That wont last for long, the P320 (M17 AND M18) are already failing in the field. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. They didnt have to, but did. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. The Government mandated it to be made more safe to use and was. Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. But I hope Sig fights it until the bitterest of ends. First, clearing a loaded firearm with a finger over the muzzle doesnt exhibit even cursory adherence to the Four Rules. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. Plastic crap! Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. So even if, as the ambulance chaser claims, the striker leg could vibrate off of the sear face, it could not discharge unless the drop safety was also disengaged because the drop safety prevents movement of the striker sufficient to make the firing pin protrude from the breech face. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. This is just blind greed using some careless doofus to sell a lie and cash in because a civil jury, like the average American voter, can be manipulated easily though emotion, tears and stories of anguish, pain and suffering at the foot of some super-rich evil corporations cold-blooded behest. Wont last!. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. Theyre the only product that is not. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. Once word of that got out there was an avalanche of sexual harassment lawsuits against Fox news. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Look a fanboy. Period. There was no holster involved. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Id read that for TMP, they got NASA to help in the design of the refit Enterprise. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. And thats just my opinion. Seems a bit apologetic to me. Ever since the internet went mainstream I have read about the Sigs decline. The problem was strikers. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. Golly didnt Sig catch he!! Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. Ive seen similar situations at our Municipal range. Good job! He was told to shoot two rounds. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. It was at that point that I knew the gun had a design flaw. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. 3. Excellent work. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. It may be a rotten trigger, but it does highlight the fact it has a much lighter trigger compared to classic semi-autos and revolvers. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? My gun just went off! Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. They both underwent full testing but while the Sig was the cheaper handgun ($1.50), it also quoted higher costs for magazines and spare parts, boosting the overall cost of the acquisition. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. He takes your wallet and car and leaves the SIG. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. The safety WILL prevent the gun from firing with a trigger pull when activated, but it should never come to that. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? Sig Sauer's headquarters are located in New Hampshire at Pease International Tradeport. I have no idea. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. Even if it was an issue with the sear interface, there is still a firing pin safety that will not move unless the trigger is held firmly to the rear. In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. The new Kirk does suck. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. On Thursday, M.D. The P320 pistol is a dog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM There was nothing wrong with the Glock action, it was a training issue. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. Hammer guns have a half cock notch for a reason. Thats just myopic brand lust on parade. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. who sells them? In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. . 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. Where is that defect now? Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. Maybe in South America a poor military did, but thatd be about it. About $300. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked.